Instead Of Insert - Identity Null Error

Sep 24, 2004

I'm atempting to use an Instead of Insert Trigger on a view to insert a record into a base table. The base table boundaryline has an identity primary key defined. The following is the error I'm receiving:

The column 'id1' in table 'dbo.ParcelBoundaries1' cannot be null.
Could not insert a record in the database.

The view is as follows:

FROM dbo.BoundaryLine

The trigger is as follows:

CREATE TRIGGER TR_ParcelBoundaries1 on ParcelBoundaries1


INSERT INTO BoundaryLine


Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated?

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Mar 8, 2007

Hey all, I have been working with Northwind on SQL Server Express
Trying to learn Transact-SQL. I am stuck at this point from code in the instruction manual. I don't know if I have a permission set to something that I need or what but I get the following error that is outlined at the bottom of the code. Any help would be appreciated.

USE Northwind

ALTER PROC spInsertDateValidatedOrder
@OrderDatedatetime= NULL,
@RequiredDatedatetime= NULL,
@ShippedDatedatetime= NULL,
@ShipNamenvarchar(60)= NULL,
@ShipAddressnvarchar(40)= NULL,
@ShipCitynvarchar(15)= NULL,
@ShipRegionnvarchar(15)= NULL,
@ShipPostalCodenvarchar(10)= NULL,
@ShipCountrynvarchar(15)= NULL,


DECLARE @InsertedOrderDatesmalldatetime

--Test to see if supplied date is over seven days old. If so
--replace with NULL value otherwise, truncate the time to be midnight.

IF DATEDIFF(dd, @OrderDate, GETDATE()) > 7
SELECT @InsertedOrderDate = NULL
PRINT 'Invalid Order Date'
PRINT 'Supplied Order Date was greater than 7 days old'
PRINT 'The value has been reset to NULL'


SELECT @InsertedOrderDate = CONVERT(datetime, (CONVERT(varchar,@OrderDate, 112)))
PRINT 'The Time of Day in Order Date was truncated'

--create the new record

--Move the identity value from the newly inserted record into output variable.


Errors received,
Msg 8101, Level 16, State 1, Procedure spInsertDateValidatedOrder, Line 46
An explicit value for the identity column in table 'Orders' can only be specified when a column list is used and IDENTITY_INSERT is ON.


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Line 90: sContact.Email = sEmail.Text.Trim
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