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I have a question regarding FUll and differential backup.

We we take full or diff back up, does it create lot of logs ie. Does full or diff backup has any impact on log size?



Thanks

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Here is the situation

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Dear all
I am new to the MS SQL, my problem is as follows.
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regards
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Executed as user: <SERVER_NAME>SYSTEM. ... 9.00.3042.00 for 32-bit Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1984-2005. All rights reserved.
Started: 11:20:05 AM
Progress: 2008-01-03 11:20:05.95
Source: {SOME_STUFF_WAS_HERE}
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End Progress
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End Progress
Progress: 2008-01-03 11:20:06.35
Source: Back Up Database (Differential)
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End Progress
Progress: 2008-01-03 11:20:06.37
Source: Back Up Database (Differential)
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End Progress
Progress: 2008-01-03 11:20:06.37
Source: Back Up Database (Differential) ... The package execution fa... The step failed.

How can I find out how to fix this problem? And please let me know if I am doing something wrong. (For instance, perhaps those two tasks shouldn't be together.)

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Log from Windows

Event Type: Error
Event Source: SQLVDI
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1
Date: 8/1/2007
Time: 2:03:37 PM
User: N/A
Computer: XXX
Description:
SQLVDI: Loc=SignalAbort. Desc=Client initiates abort. ErrorCode=(0). Process=9028. Thread=5928. Client. Instance=. VD=GlobalData Protector_(DEFAULT)_msdb_14_00_21.

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Normal] From: XXX "(DEFAULT)" Time: XXX
SQL statement:
BACKUP DATABASE [msdb] TO
VIRTUAL_DEVICE = "Data Protector_(DEFAULT)_msdb_06_00_14"
WITH NAME = 'Data Protector: 2007/08/01 0064', DIFFERENTIAL, BLOCKSIZE = 4096, MAXTRANSFERSIZE = 65536;
[Warning] From: XXX "(DEFAULT)" Time: XXX
Error has occurred while executing a SQL statement.
Error message: '<Microsoft SQL-DMO (ODBC SQLState: 42000):bdb>
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[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]BACKUP DATABASE is terminating abnormally.'

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Hi,

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(query)
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#1
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#2
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#3
Server: Msg 7399, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
OLE DB provider 'Full-text Search Engine' reported an error.
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