Time Series Algorithm

Aug 17, 2006

I am trying to predict Revenue gererated by each Person.
My Input like this:

Month Person Revenue

20050101 Person1 $1000
20050101 Person1 $2000
20050201 Person1 $1000
20050101 Person2 $5000
20050201 Person2 $2000
20050201 Person2 $3000

Obviosly for Person1 and 200501 I expect to see on MS Time Series Viewer $3000, correct?
Instead I see REVENUE(actual) - 200501 VALUE =XXX,
Where XXX is absolutly different number.

Also there are negative numbers in forecast area which is not correct form business point
Person1 who is tough guy tryed to shoot me.
What I am doing wrong. Could you please give me an idea how to extract correct
historical and predict information?

Thnak you,

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Time Series Algorithm

Jan 18, 2007

Hi Jamie:

I am building data mining models to predict the amount of data storage in GB we will need in the future based on what we have used in the past. I have a table for each device with the amount of storage on that device for each day going back one year. I am using the Time Series algorithm to build these mining models. In many cases, where the storage size does not change abruptly, the model is able to predict several periods forward. However, when there are abrupt changes in storage size (due to factors such as truncating transaction logs on the database ), the mining model will not predict more than two periods. Is there something I can change in terms of the parameters the Time Series Algorithm uses so that it can predict farther forward in time or is this the wrong Algorithm to deal with data patterns that have a saw tooth pattern with a negative linear component.


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Sep 3, 2007

I was working with Microsoft Time Series (MTS) algorithm and simulated data in order to evaluate/know it a little more.
I simulated 24 points of the model y[t] = 5.74-0.1486 y[t-1] + e[t] and 19 points of the model y[t] = 10.48-0.0486 y[t-1] + e[t] (a change of level), where e ~ N(0,0.01).
The MTS output is: if time>=23.5 then AR(3) else AR(1): y[t] = 6.23-0.2536 y[t-1].
So, I am wondering:
how the algorithm works whit the time variable as a split variable? Like the other variables? Only considering 4 time points?
Why the MTS algorithm produces AR(p) models where p is a little large (like the example: I simulated an AR(1) model and the output is an AR(3) model), what about parsimony models?
A AR model is a stationary model, so what happen if some data have trend? We need eliminate the trend before the MTS algorithm can be used?Thanks for your time

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May 31, 2007

Hi, all experts here,

Thank you very much for your kind attention.

I am confused on key time column selection. e.g, I want to predict monthly sales amount, then what column in date dimension should I choose to be the key time column? Is it calendar_date (the key of date dimension) column or calendar_month?

Thanks a lot for your kind advices and help and I am looking forward to hearing from you shortly.

With best regards,

Yours sincerely,

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Dec 17, 2007

hi to every one
and again i say my question
for the first time i thought if i ask my question from this forum i can give my answer exactly
but with these answers i see it was just a dream .
one person said you can see your answer in book with this title "the datamining with sql 2005 "but i cant find my request and then said you can find in datamning sql2005.com and in this site i cant find a sample about a form that i can show my result of prediftion with time series
i dont know how can i earn this code .and a sample about that .please please if every one can answer me ,answer with descripstion about code .i just want codes for connecting between c# and analysis serveice and a description about quality of this code,that means this code, how do it work?

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Feb 21, 2007


I'm trying to create a DM model using TS algorithm, to predict sales for different products and channels but I can only get it to work using one of those two "dimensions" or columns the other one is ignored (This is, my fact table contains a key for time, a key for channel a key for product and the metrics and the model only seems to allow working with time, the metrics and only one of the other dimensions product or channel ..) Am I missing something?


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Jun 5, 2007

Hi, all,

Again I encountered a very strange problem which displayed the predicted attribute values as percentage format? The data type of the attribute is actually double, why is that?

That's really frustrated.

Thanks a lot in advance for your kind advices and I am looking forward to hearing from you shortly.

With best regards,

Yours sincerely,

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Hi, all experts here,

Thanks for your kind attention.

I want to use time series algorithm to mine data from my case table and nested table. Case table is Date table, while nested table is the fact table. E.g, I want to predict the monthly sales amount for different region (I have region table related to the fact table), how can I achieve this?

Thanks a lot and I hope it is clear for your help and I am looking forward to hearing from you shortly.

With best regards,

Yours sincerely,

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Jun 4, 2007

Hi, all experts here,

Thank you very much for your kind attention.

I am confused on key column of case table and key time column of nested table by using Time Series algorithm.

In my case, the case table structure is as below:

Territory key text (the ID is actually dimrisk_key, in this case, I use the name column binding to combine the Territory column of case table Dimrisks),

While the nested table structure is as below:

Cal_month key time (in this case, actually the ID is dimdate_key, again, I used name column bining property to bind the Cal_month to the ID)

So my question is, as the key column of case table has been set to be Territory, as a result, does the model training still cover all the cases (rows) based on the ID of the table?

Also, in the nested table, as the key time column has been set to Cal_month rather than Dimdate_key of the nested table, as a result, would the single series based on the cal_month?

Hope it is clear for your advices and help.

And I am looking forward to hearing from you shortly.

With best regards,

Yours sincerely,

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May 31, 2007

Hi, all experts here,

Thank you very much for your kind attention.

I encountered a very strange problem again. Why the time series displayed on the chart are so strange? The Key time column I chose for my time series algorithm is cal_month(e.g 199001...), but why the date displayed on the time series chart is like :05/06/2448? (it should be like 199001..?) What is that data? And where exactly did it come from? What is the exact cause of this?

Hope it is clear for your help.

I am really confused on this and thanks a lot for your kind advices and help and I am looking forward to hearing from you shortly.

With best regards,

Yours sincerely,

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Hi all,

I have a very simple time series model which processing works fine without any problem. However when I run the following query




PredictTimeSeries(PriceChange, -3, 2)




[TimeSeries].[Symbol] = 'x'

I get the following error:

TITLE: Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Analysis Services
Error (Data mining): A time series prediction was requested with a start time further in the past than the internal models of the mining model, TimeSeries, specified in the HISTORIC_MODEL_GAP and HISTORIC_MODEL_COUNT parameters can process.

The following is the excerpt of the minding model script related to the two parameters:




<Value xsi:type="xsdtring">Previous</Value>




<Value xsi:type="xsd:int">1</Value>




<Value xsi:type="xsd:int">10</Value>



These HISTORIC_MODEL_GAP (1) and HISTORIC_MODEL_COUNT (10) should accommodate PredictTimeSeries(PriceChange, -3, 2). Could anyone shed some light on this?

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Jul 4, 2007


I was working with Microsoft Time Series model (MTS) with some data, when in the mining model viewer, decision tree tab, I realized that the key time variable that I define, it was acting like a split variable.

So, I ask you, this is possible?, because, for me, this should not happen€¦.

After, I review the Data Mining Tutorial by Seth Paul, Jamie MacLennan, Zhaohui Tang and Scott Oveson, and I found, in the Forecasting part, that the key time variable (Time Index) it was acting like a split variable too, in for example, M200 pacific:Quantity and R250 Europe:Quantity.

So people, it€™s possible that a key time variable act like a split variable in a MTS model?


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Hi all,

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Is it possible that sometimes I can make predictions based on just 1 yr or 2 yrs data for certain products alone or certain regions alone? Can this be done without having to retrain the already built model?

Also, is it possible that using the model, i can predict week-wise / month-wise / quarterly sales as well?

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Mar 9, 2005

Hi All,
I have a table Test1:
ID date Value
AAUGVAL 2/27/198760.848
AAUGVAL 3/2/1987 64.288
AAUGVAL 3/3/1987 63.77
AAUGVAL 3/4/1987 62.495
AAUGVAL 3/5/1987 62.65
AAUGVAL 3/6/1987 62.548
AAUGVAL 3/9/1987 62.292
AAUGVAL 3/10/198763.045
AAUGVAL 3/11/198763.021
I am trying to see the value % changes day by day and here is is the code I wrote:
starttime=cast(v.date as char(8)), endtime=cast(a.date as char(8)),
startval=v.Value, endval=a.Value,
change=substring('- +', sign((a.Value-v.Value)+2,1)+ cast(abs(a.Value-v.Value) as varchar)
(select date,Value, ranking =(select count(distinct date) from Test1 T where T.Value<=S.Value)
from Test1 S) v left outer join
(select date,Value, ranking=(select count(distinct date) from Test1 T where T.Value<=S.Value)
from Test1 S) a
on( a.ranking=v.ranking+1)

I got the following error message:
Server: Msg 174, Level 15, State 1, Line 4
The sign function requires 1 arguments.
Server: Msg 170, Level 15, State 1, Line 7
Line 7: Incorrect syntax near 'v'.
Server: Msg 170, Level 15, State 1, Line 9
Line 9: Incorrect syntax near 'a'.

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I have a time series of 1440 records that may have some gaps in it. I need to check the time series for gaps and then fill these or reject the time series.

The criteria for accepting and rejecting is a user defined number of time steps from 1 to 10. For example, if the user sets the maximum gap as 5 time steps and a gap has 5 or less then I simply want to lineraly interpolate betwen the two timesteps bounding the gap. If the gap is 6 time steps then I will reject the timeseries.

I have searched the BOL and MSDN for SQL Server and think there must be a solution using the PredictTimeSeries in DMX, but not quite sure if I can do this. I may be better off simply passing through the time series as a recordset and processing as I would have done in Access...(I am reluctant to do this as I have of the order 100 * 5 * 365 time series and growng by 100 each day and fear it will take quite some time...)

Can anyone help me by pointing me in the right direction please?

Unless there is a way of using PredictTimeSeries on its own, I think the solution is:

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Identify the longest gap and reject or process data on this value.
Identify if a record preceedes or succeeds a gap.
For each gap fill it using a linear interpolation.



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Should I avoid having time members for forecast dates in a column? Sometimes my forecast values will be placed below my dates that do not have values. If I am forecasting months in 2008, with month values from 2007 and 2006 the forecast values will be placed below my 2008 empty months.

Kind Regards
Thomas Ivarsson

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Here is a screenshot that might help understand the problem:

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With this query, I could also get the Min() and Max() EventTime for each group, etc.

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When the query runs:

select Flattened  Predict(sales,5)

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Hi, all here,

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With best regards,

Yours sincerely,

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Supported Algorithms
At this time, Data Mining Web Controls include the following:

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