Changing ODBC Linked Table Stored Credentials
Jul 24, 2013
I have a number of databases that use ODBC connections for working with linked tables from a SQL database. The source SQL data has been moved to a new server with new sa credentials. I have updated my local ODBC connections to use this new information. However, when I added numerous tables to the databases I checked the box to save the password so that it wouldn't prompt me or other users every time I wanted to use the Access database. Is there a way in Access to change this stored password? So far I haven't been able to find one.
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Mar 17, 2005
Hi,
I have built a form without a record source as i need to mess around with the fields before i save.
On save, i would like the form to save to an ODBC linked table in my database.
I save the record through a save button which has the following code attached to its on_Click event.
' NOTE: DAO 3.6 code
Dim db As Database
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Set db = CurrentDb
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("tblODBCLinked", dbOpenTable)
With rs
.AddNew
.Fields("Country") = Me.txtCountry
.Fields("ID") = Me.ID
.Fields("Creation Date") = Now()
.Update
End With
rs.Close
Set rs = Nothing
I have no problem saving to a non-linked table with the above coding but always seems to fall over if as soon as i try to open the linked table. Ive debugged and the problem seems to be with opeing the table.
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("tblODBCLinked", dbOpenTable)
Thanks in Advance for any suggestions
Access 97 / Windows NT / Full Read Write access. Not a permissions issue
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Mar 7, 2006
I can edit/open existing linked tables (to Sage Line 50, v12) but not create new ones.
Following the procedure:
- New
- Link Table
- File Type: ODBC databases ()
Nothing now happens!
I can open the Link Table Manager to update previously created links.
Any ideas?
I'm using MSAccess 2003 on a brand new machine.
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Feb 9, 2008
I Need help,
I have an access 2002 front end and I am linked to a sql server express 2005 backend and in one of my tables I am getting this error when I add a record to a work order table. The error is ODBC connection on INSERT failed on linked table.
A few strange rhings happen. It only involves customers with over (approx.) 140 work orders (there is a one to many with customer to work order). All other customers seem to be immune to this.
Also, if you go to the tables directly from a access database window, you can still add/edit or delete records, but in the form view, it gives you an error.
I have tried several things including changing code (the orgional code was set dbs= currentDB and dbs.execute("INSERT.......)
I have found similiar posting but no real direct causes. does anyone have any ideas on how to resolve this?
Thanks
Frank
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Dec 31, 2014
In a local DB table or a data grid view, the columns have an arrow at the top next to the name. When the arrow is clicked, all the entries in that column are displayed with check boxes. They are listed underneath the "sort" and "text filter" options. I am working on a DB project with ODBC linked tables instead of a local access table.
My linked table does not have this same functionality. It is missing the names with check boxes where I can select individual entries. I don't know the correct terminology for this functionality I am describing. That makes searching tough. What this is called and why the tables would be different.
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Jun 8, 2007
Hi All,
Although familiar with CR, SQL and other such things. I have never had cause to use Access all that much.... Until Now!
My problem is easiest explained by my requirements....
I have a db table called Source. The data for this Table is populated by a form called Technical. Technical containes a series of fields (SO No, SO Line No, WO No etc etc). Some of these fields are lookup fields linked directly to the SO_Header Table in our main ERP software via and ODBC connection. The result is the SO No field is populated with a list of Sales Order No's as they exist within the ERP software. Within the Technical Form I have also the Customer Name.
This is where the problems begin. Within the ERP software we have two tables which I need to use: SO_Header and Customer. The SO_Header contains all the Sales Order info and the Customer table contains all the customer info. What I need to do is populate the customer name field in by db with the relevant customer based on the SO No chossen. However the Customer Name does not exist in the SO_Header table. Instead both the SO_Header table and the Customer tables contain a field called Cust_Code.
Now if I wanted to link these in Crystal Reports I would link from the SO_Header table to the Customer table using the Cust_code field. This would give me the corresponding Customer name based on the Sales Order No.
How can I get the correct Customer Name to appear automatically in my Access form based on a SO No chossen by the user?
I would realy appreciate any help on this! If you need me to clarify anything please ask.
Thanks in advance!
RobV
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Jan 22, 2014
Using access 2007 (and tried 2003) I have a linked ODBC table which is using an ORACLE driver. If I query the table directly through ORACLE/SQL for a particular 'job number' I get the following results:
18598979 3 06-DEC-13 10:10
18598979 0 03-DEC-13 10:34
18598979 1 03-DEC-13 10:34
18598979 2 06-DEC-13 08:20
However when I link the table through access and view the same job number within the table (not even using a query) it displays the following:
18598979 3 06/12/2013 10:10:00
18598979 3 06/12/2013 10:10:00
18598979 3 06/12/2013 10:10:00
18598979 3 06/12/2013 10:10:00
As you can see it only displays the MAX date/time and associated data from the 4 available records, duplicating the record. I've checked the field formats and they all look fine. It does the same if I pull through the table on it's own or with other linked tables.
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Sep 15, 2006
Hello,
The scenario. Two PC's, one older than the other, both running Windows 2000 (SP4) and Office 2000 (SP3). I use Access as a front end to a MySQL database, connections are made using ODBC.
I recently altered the structure of a table and attempted to re-link the table in access using the Linked Table Manager on the new PC. All that happened was the hourglass came on and never went away. I tried to do this on the old PC and it worked fine first time.
Any ideas why I can't get it to work on my new PC? It's quite important as I won't have the old PC with me much longer :-(
Regards,
Matt.
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Dec 20, 2005
Is it possible to change the properties of a linked table from Number to Text and have this remain constant using VB code. If so, how can I do this?
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Mar 3, 2015
I need to update the names of my ODBC linked tables in my Access database, how can I do this without causing issues with my queries/reports?The current linked tables are to a SQL View on a database called mcsrm_live, and called e.g. vwDamagesReportNew
The new SQL views that I need to link to are identical in structure and content and on the same SQL server but different database - forkdw and are called e.g vw_R_Damages
Is there a straightforward process to do this without affecting the queries and reports in my Access db?
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Sep 3, 2014
I'm trying to change the table links to a password protected BE DB. I found an example online, which I adapted to my needs. When I set it up to fail to find the normal BE it seems to work as intended until it gets to the line "Tdf.RefreshLink". Then it crashes with a 3031 "Not a valid password" error. The code is:
Code:
Private Sub Form_Open(Cancel As Integer)
Dim Dbs As Database
Dim Tdf As TableDef
Dim Tdfs As TableDefs
Dim NewPathname As String
[Code] ....
I can't find any references or example to relinking a password protected table.
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Dec 18, 2014
I am after a script to change the linked table paths like the following.
It will only ever be the path that is changing not the file name and only ever linked tables
Code:
for each table in tabledefs
if table.path = c:Testing* then table.path = w:Testingfilename
if table.path = c:Jobs* then table.path = w:Jobsfilename
if table.path = c:Quotes* then table.path = w:QuotesNewfilename
next table
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Dec 6, 2013
I have a access 2007 file. with a table with a yes/no field. When I link the table to another db using lnked table manager, the yes/no display is not a checkbox (as set) but is turns into textbox.
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Aug 8, 2005
Sorry if this is an easy one and I just missing it, but I have a form in an Access2003 database with option groups for ratings for 18 individual tasks ie:
Safety: 1. Satisfactory 2. Marginal 3. Unsatisfactory 4. N/A
The value stored in the table is 1,2,3, or 4 for each one, obviously.
How can I change the stored value in the table to "Sat" "Marginal" "Unsat" etc?
Or, if easier, make the report convert the numerical values to names?
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Jul 23, 2014
I am having difficulty with my Access database, when I run a particular query. The query is linked to a table in SQL Server, but I keep getting a "ODBC -Call Failed" error message. After some research I understand I might need to change the ODBC Data Source, but this is something I have never done and am unsure of how to do it so my query will work!
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Nov 12, 2007
My problem is best explained by example;
In Access Database A, I have some linked ODBC tables (to an SQL Server database) and some local tables.
In Access Database B, I have a front end which links to all the tables in Access Database A.
The problem is, when I try to link the tables in B, I cannot see the ODBC tables linked in A. Is there any reason why not? 'Why not link Access Database B to the SQL Server tables directly?', you may ask. Well, there is an answer to that but it is quite difficult to explain. I assure you there is one. :p
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May 18, 2005
Hi!
I'll cut right down to it: I have an ODBC connection to a (SQL Server) test database on my development machine that is identical to the live database to which a (different) ODBC connection exists on the PC where this Access application is to be deployed. The problem is that when I deploy, there are some tables that have to be updates, because they still point to my test database. The other tables look like they use the default database for that user.
I used to be able to just copy the Access application and it would work without having to update any linked tables.
To clarify, the tables that work without a problem look like this in the Linked Table Manager:
t_mytable (DSN=odbc;)
And the problem tables have this:
t_mytable2 (DSN=odbc;DATABASE=my_test_db)
I don't seem to be able to clear that DATABASE= thing up. Can anybody tell me how this works?
If this question is overly trivial, I apologize.
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May 25, 2007
Hi,
I have a lot data to append to ODBC linked table in MS Access. I want to know that which way is faster to append the records.
if I append the data into ODBC linked table,
1) create the one query (append) to insert the records into ODBC linked table
2) use the VBA code (DAO/ADO) to insert the records into ODBC linked table
which way is rather faster?
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Jan 17, 2006
My tables are sybase linked tables to my Access front end. I get this error whenever i click away from my mainform while my not-null fields (textboxes) have not been entered. So, i would like to put an error message "somewhere" that tells the user to fill in the necessary fields and highlight the necessary textboxes in red, instead of this scary ODBC message
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6829/error0el.png :eek: :eek:
When i put my error handling in the afterUpdate or afterInsert Event. I still get the above error msg instead of my msgbox.
Where do i put this message? or should be question be, "what the proper way to handle this intimidating error? :)
Here's my error handling:
On Error GoTo Err_Form_AfterInsert
'do something
Exit_Form_AfterInsert:
Exit Sub
Err_Form_AfterInsert:
MsgBox Err.Description, vbExclamation, "Please enter the Project Name, Project Leader Initials, Main User and Status Code" & Err.Number
Me!Combo67.BackColor = "red"
Me!Combo65.BackColor = "red"
Me![Project Name].BackColor = "red"
Me![Project Leader Initials Combo].BackColor = "red"
Resume Exit_Form_AfterInsert
Thanks in advance for your help :D
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Jun 13, 2012
Our master database has linked tables with ODBC to our SQL database and linked tables to another access database. On the computer i'm running this from a System DSN data source has been created to connect to our SQL database.
The problem I'm having is when I run Macros to kick off Queries, there seems to be some kind of timeout issue and its not consistant. Sometimes in Access after a hour or two, the ODBC links somehow just fails. I have to go up to the menu and go to 'Get External Data' and then 'Link Tables' and relink the ODBC DSN connection. I make sure to hit save password and the end but that doesn't seem to do much. This also happens sometimes when I close and reopen the database.
But it seems erratic, sometimes it can stay up for hours but sometimes just a few mins. Sometimes I can close the Access database and reopen without losing connection. Being so erratic, this makes it very hard for me to run batch files nightly to kick off Macros. Is there some kind of inactivty timer for DSNs? Or maybe with the SQL database itself? Or is the way i'm restablishing the ODBC connection wrong ?
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Feb 20, 2006
Does anyone know how to change all linked tables in a database to unlinked? I want to save a database for offline testing and want to save the tables as flat tables instead of linked. Is there anyway to do this without bringing them all back in unlinked?
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Dec 3, 2007
Hello all...
I have a problem with a single query I have build in Access 2000. Basically, I have a normalised database structure to 3NF. I have a table called Data, a table called Reports and a table called DataReports which cotains the primary keys from both data and reports which are named Data_ID and Report_Id.
Basically, what is happening is I am building a query that returns a record from DataReports using the Data_Id field as criteria as this is held on a form. I create a one to many relationship from the Reports table to the DataReports table using a link from one Report_Id to the other. I save the table and it works fine...once only!! The query is used to feed a list box on a form. The form loads correctly but when I go back into design view to make a change to something else on the form and then go back to form view, I get Data Type Mismatch error. When I look at the query, Access has changed the link from the Report_Id --> Report_Id to Report_Id --> Report_Title which is the next field down in the Reports table. Because all ID's in my database are Autonum's it is trying to link a number to text so I understand why this would not work but I dont understand why on earth access is changing my links. It is very frustrating. Could anyone help me please.
Thank you kindly..
Gareth
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Aug 31, 2007
I am trying to build a Form that will show an estimate (then eventually will be moved to a project if customer and employee aggree to price and project) in a Form F_Estimates is a M_Customers(Customer_ID) (Based on a Table) and thier info in a Subform. Also is the "projected costs" from parts out of the Parts(Part_ID) (Based on another Table) in a second Subform as a list that I need to calculate $$$ in
(Dang that still sounds evil and definately NOT understandable even after edit... so)
Here's some basic info
Tables
EstimatesandParts - Table
EstimatesandParts_ID : Autonumber
Estimate_ID : Number
Part_ID : Number
Parts - Table
Part_ID : Autonumber
PartNumber : Text (not a number due to some part#s have letters in them)
PartName : Text
Unit Price : Currency
Description : Text
Estimates - Table
Estimate_ID : Autonumber
InvoiceNumber : Text (again can have letters in it)
EstimateDate : Date/Time
EstimateTime : Date/Time
Employee_ID : Number
Customer_ID : Number
ProblemDescription : Memo
Customers - Table
Customer_ID : Autonumber
FirstName : Text
LastName : Text
CompanyName : Text
Address : Text
City : Text
Province_State : Text
Postal_ZIPCode : Text (CDN Postal codes are letter num letter...)
you can see the link table in the EstimatesandParts Table
Now I want to use that link to populate a subform in the F_Estimates form
Forms
SF_Customers - SubForm
(all boxes atm are text boxes on this form till I figure out the Parts section then will use same base for this so I can pick any customer in the database to be the customer for this estimate. Also will have ctrl button for making new customer with customer form and a refresh on Focus Gain bit of code)
FirstName
LastName
CompanyName
Address
City
Province_State
Postal_ZIPCode
SF_Parts - SubForm
Default View -Continuous Forms
(want it to be a list of parts that I can grab prices and descriptions from then in a bit of code to calculate a cost of parts)
Part_ID : Combo Box
Control Source - Part_ID
Row Source Type - Table/Query
Row Source - SELECT Parts.Part_ID, Parts.PartNumber, Parts.PartName, Parts.UnitPrice, Parts.Description FROM Parts ORDER BY Parts.Description;
(Pulls info from the table Parts for input into a list of parts to be used on that project)
PartName : Text Box
UnitPrice : Text Box
(here's where I run into problems due to the fact that the form is not based on the parts table but rather the link table EstimatesandParts so I can't propogate the info to the 2 other text boxes, ps I dont care if they cant be text boxes and have to be linked or some other type I'm not "set" just need to find out how to make it work )
(have tried a couple things to complete this task)
Me.txtPartName = Me.Part_ID.Column(2)
Me.txtUnitPrice = Me.Part_ID.Column(3)
(works AWSOME ... for ONE ROW then propogates the second selection to the first and second and third selection to first second and third and so on ...)
(tried to make control source for the txtPartName to)
=Forms!Parts!Partname
(Doesnt exist .. akkk, cant use ActiveForm either as it doesn't focus on the SubForm but the MainForm ... cry)
F_Estimates - Form
Estimate_ID
InvioceNumber
EstimateDate
EstimateTime
ProblemDescription
(all basic Text Boxes)
Employee_ID
Customer_ID
(Combo Boxes Select Customer and Employee from list of present ones of each)
SF_Customers
SF_Parts
(Both SubForms on the main form)
Now this is an Exerp from my entire Database I like to work on one small problem at a time and I have made this its own little database till I figure out the problem then I will bring the info I learn back into the rest of the database and go from there ...
Hope you can help I have a feeling I will need to make a recordset and go from there but I'm just not able to wrap my head around that for some reason
Thanks in advance for ANY and ALL help that I get from here
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Feb 18, 2008
Hi Guys,
This is one of this only times i've had a problem whose answer i couldn't find on this or other forums, so here's the question.
My DBase links to the back end tables
tblBrkdn
tblBrkdnArchive
tblBrkdwnTradespeople
tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive
The following two tables are local, not linked
tblBrkdnArchiveTemp
tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchiveTemp
After running through the following code, all of the four above mentioned linked tables are now local. It's vexing. I'm terribly vexed. If you can help, my status would chnge from vexed to joyous....:
Thx in advance...
' 1) Join all together (Each Table)
' Create two recordsets, One for the Brkdn set, one for the Tradespeople Set.
' Brkdn: Want it to be the Union of all records in (tblBrkdn, tblBrkdnArchive) without duplicating BrkdwnID
'Standard Union Query with no duplicates. Transferring data into a temporary table
SQLStr = "SELECT * INTO tblBrkdnArchiveTemp FROM ("
SQLStr = SQLStr & "SELECT tblBrkdn.* FROM tblBrkdn INNER JOIN tblBrkdnArchive ON tblBrkdn.BrkdwnID = tblBrkdnArchive.BrkdwnID "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "Union ALL "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "SELECT tblBrkdn.* "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "FROM tblBrkdn LEFT JOIN tblBrkdnArchive ON tblBrkdn.BrkdwnID = tblBrkdnArchive.BrkdwnID "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "WHERE (((tblBrkdnArchive.BrkdwnID) Is Null))"
SQLStr = SQLStr & "UNION ALL SELECT tblBrkdnArchive.* "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "FROM tblBrkdn RIGHT JOIN tblBrkdnArchive ON tblBrkdn.BrkdwnID = tblBrkdnArchive.BrkdwnID "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "WHERE tblBrkdn.BrkdwnID is null);"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
' BrkdnTradespeople: Want it to be the Union of all records in (tblBrkdwnTradespeople, tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive) without duplicating ID
'Standard Union Query with no duplicates. Transferring data into a temporary table
SQLStr = "SELECT * INTO tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchiveTemp FROM ("
SQLStr = SQLStr & "SELECT tblBrkdwnTradespeople.* FROM tblBrkdwnTradespeople INNER JOIN tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive ON tblBrkdwnTradespeople.ID = tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive.ID "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "Union ALL "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "SELECT tblBrkdwnTradespeople.* "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "FROM tblBrkdwnTradespeople LEFT JOIN tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive ON tblBrkdwnTradespeople.ID = tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive.ID "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "WHERE (((tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive.ID) Is Null))"
SQLStr = SQLStr & "UNION ALL SELECT tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive.* "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "FROM tblBrkdwnTradespeople RIGHT JOIN tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive ON tblBrkdwnTradespeople.ID = tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive.ID "
SQLStr = SQLStr & "WHERE tblBrkdwnTradespeople.ID is null);"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
'delete everything from the four non-temporary tables
'tblBrkdn
SQLStr = "DELETE * FROM tblBrkdn"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
'tblBrkdwnTradespeople
SQLStr = "DELETE * FROM tblBrkdwnTradespeople"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
'tblBrkdnArchive
SQLStr = "DELETE * FROM tblBrkdnArchive"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
'tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive
SQLStr = "DELETE * FROM tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
' 2) Paste the entire record set to each Brkdn table
'tblBrkdn
SQLStr = "SELECT * INTO tblBrkdn FROM tblBrkdnArchiveTemp"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
'tblBrkdnArchive
SQLStr = "SELECT * INTO tblBrkdnArchive FROM tblBrkdnArchiveTemp"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
' 3) Delete from Active & Archive Brkdn tables WHERE [DATE] < txtArchiveDate.Text
'tblBrkdn
SQLStr = "DELETE * FROM tblBrkdn WHERE ([DATE]<#" & dateStr & "#);"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
'tblBrkdnArchive
SQLStr = "DELETE * FROM tblBrkdnArchive WHERE ([DATE]>=#" & dateStr & "#);"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
' 4) Paste to Active Tradespeople table WHERE Associated Breakdown Record [DATE] >= txtArchiveBeforeDate.text
SQLStr = "SELECT tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchiveTemp.* INTO tblBrkdwnTradespeople FROM tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchiveTemp INNER JOIN tblBrkdn ON (tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchiveTemp.BrkdwnID=tblBrkd n.BrkdwnID)"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
' 5) Paste to Archive Tradespeople table WHERE Associated Breakdown Record [DATE] < txtArchiveBeforeDate.text
SQLStr = "SELECT tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchiveTemp.* INTO tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchive FROM tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchiveTemp INNER JOIN tblBrkdnArchive ON (tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchiveTemp.BrkdwnID=tblBrkd nArchive.BrkdwnID)"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
' 6) Clean up: Delete all records from the temporary tables
'tblBrkdnArchiveTemp
SQLStr = "DELETE * FROM tblBrkdnArchiveTemp;"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
'tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchiveTemp
SQLStr = "DELETE * FROM tblBrkdwnTradespeopleArchiveTemp;"
DoCmd.SetWarnings False
DoCmd.RunSQL SQLStr
DoCmd.SetWarnings True
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Jul 22, 2015
I have linked tables from SQL Server using ODBC connection that their location never changes. I have used certain fields of those tables to create queries and make table queries to derive to the information I needed.
On these tables on SQL Server, there is new data added daily. Every day, midnight, there's new data records added of whatever transactions took place in that working day. how often do I need to refresh linked tables in this case to get the latest data added. I mean, once I am linked, the make table query using those defined fields, would it get the latest data added by default when the query is executed, or I must refresh linked tables using Linked Table Manager and then run make table query.
Also, if I want the access to automatically refresh linked tables, can I use the following code? I have added this code, and executing it through a button, but I don't see anything happen, the database becomes inactive for couple seconds (I guess while it is updating) but I don't know is it updating the tables for sure or not, though I am not receiving any error when executing the code through the button.
Function RefreshLinkedTables()
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
If Len(tdf.Connect) > 0 Then
tdf.RefreshLink
End If
Next td
End Function
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Sep 22, 2014
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I'm making a database for HR. I have an entire form of all the fields from one table. But I made another table for credentials because one employee could have more than one.
Now, the form: Sample.jpg
I want to display the credentials fields on one of the tabs. I want it to look like a datasheet (datasheet view). But I don't know how to link it to the current employee ID. I've already set the relationships for the t_Employee and t_EmployeeCredential. I've already tried making a subform. But it just doesn't automatically reflect. I'm not sure if I'm making sense. I can't really explain it.
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