Workgroup Security - Bothers My Deployment
Jul 19, 2006
I've designed an access ade file (based on sql server) and distributed it at the network.
Somebody else has made another database (mdb) and placed the users in a access workgroup file by placing their windows logons into the workgroup file. These users happen to be the same users accessing my application. The following thing is happening : "when the users open my database they are prompted their user names and password of the workgroup file'.
I placed an empty database and the same thing is happening, the workgroup security is active alongside every database deployed to this specific user group.
How can I easily 'tell my database' it shouldn't make use of the workgroup security?
(It's odd that an ade which isn't able to use workgroup security prompts users by using workgroup security)
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Dec 30, 2005
Hello,
I have followed the very informative postings here on security and deploying a multi user access application and have started doing that myself. A lot has worked but there are a few things that are not working out right and I just wanted to get some clarification on that. Hopefully this will benefit others in my situation as well.
1. First, I put security into the database by creating multiple users some with Admin and some with user priviledges.
2. I created a different workgroup file (product.mdw)
3. I then split the db to front and backend. I used UNC to nk tables from FE to BE
4. I put the BE on a shared network folder along with product.mdw. The reason is I am still developing the app and may also need to tweak the user permission settings, so thought of putting teh .mdw file on a server rather than putting it on each users machine for now. I am then using a shortcut on each user's machine that references this .mdw file on the server
5. I also have the FE on the server for now and created a shortcut on each user's desktop (I am doing this for now so that I donot need to put the FE on each users machine every time I change something. this is temporary for a few weeks till I finish development. After that I plan to put the FE on each user's machine)
The problem I am facing is that after putting the shortcut in a user's machine, if the user even wants to open any local Access db on their machine (not my app), it is now asking for a UID and passwd.
Now, when I put the shortcut on the user's desktop (to repeat, I referenced the FE, and .mdw file on the network folder in the shortcuts Target settting), should I have done anything else on the user's machine. After just putting the shortcut on the desktop, the user could click on it and go directly into my database without any UID and passwd though I have security in my db. The I went to the user's Access install and changed the workgroup file to the one on the network folder (through Tools - Security -Workgroup Info ...). Was that necessary because I had alsready put in all the necesary parameters in the shortcut's Target setting?
I guess I am missing someting about how the .mdw file associates with Access. When you define a .mdw file in the Tools - Security - Workgroup ,..) setting, does that associate with a particular DB or for any db that this Access install brings up? If so, then how does one get aorund the problem of deployment to user's desktop where the users could be having their own local Access DB's that they use without a password but need to use a password to access a DB on the network. I cannot imagine that because I require the user to use a password for my db on the network means that I have to tell them that they need to use a password for any DB they use in their machine from now on.
Please let me know where I am going wrong. Thank you
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Jun 2, 2005
Might be a stupid question but here goes.
I have successfully created my own private workgroup and have set up security levels for 4 users on one access programme that l have written.
I have a second access programme that l use with the same users, however l want to set different user parameters, can l set a second workgroup up as l did the first.
Is two workgroups possible on the same machine ?
Regards
Andy B
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Jul 26, 2007
I'm trying to set-up and secure a networked multi-user database. I used the Workgroup Administrator to create a new workgroup and save it to the network drive. However, when I open my database, it seems it may still be pointing to the the default SYSTEM.MDW workgroup on my hard drive. Do I need to do something to my database to tell it to point to the new workgroup I have set-up? When I start having other people log in from different locations, will they need to join the workgroup or also point the database to the networked workgroup when they open the database? The manuals aren't very clear on this, please help.
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Jun 6, 2005
Can someone post a copy of a sample mdw file so that I may observe the design of the database? I am very new to the concept of db security and would like to take a look at how the design is constructed. Thanks!
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Oct 27, 2004
This is more of a point of interest then a question, at work, Access defaults to a central workgroup file, so all Access files opened on a work machine will prompt for a user name and password, and only let you in if you get it right... but if you move the work group file, even after it has been open using that workgroup file, it will just let you straight in and GIVE YOU ADMIN RIGHTS!
No one really seems to know about this... does it happen if you manually set the workgroup file? Or is this just a security hole if you rely on the default? I'm not sure yet, haven't tested, but i fell people should be made aware (happens for sure on Access2002, haven't tested it on any others)
-mwalts
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Apr 21, 2005
I was looking for free access add-ins through a search engine when I came across this site. I'm not sure whether or not some of the more seasoned programmers have seen this, but so far it looks like a less confusing alternative to the security features that access comes with. I'm not in any way advertising this, and I haven't tried it myself yet, so I can't speak about how good or bad it is, but it may be something worth looking into. Here are the links:
http://www.accesswizards.com/Downloads.html This lists the add-ins that are available from this particular site.
http://www.accesswizards.com/SecDetails.html This is the "read me" information about the security add-in.
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Dec 26, 2006
Hello,
I cant seem to get a certain setting right. I am trying to setup a user for the database that I have been working on. It keeps saying the following:
"It says I do not have necessary permissions to open. Have the system admin. Or person who created the object establish appropriate permissions for you."
I have that person assigned to the following:
Full Permissions
Full Data Users
Updated Data Users
And they still are unable to open the database.
Now from what I have read on this forum, I shouldn't give any personal permissions. So I have assigned users to groups and given the groups permissions.
In regards to the security question, what are bare minimums for a user to open the database, use the switchboard, choose a form, enter/change data via the form, and view reports.
I dont know the difference between:
Open/Run
Read Design
Modify Design
Administer
And I am afraid to give more than what I need, and I feel like I am just guessing and hoping to set it right. Thanks for any direction in this area.
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Jun 22, 2007
Hi,
I've created a duplicate of our database in order to be able to work on the design of it from several locations. At present the database which is being used has been split into FE (on local machines) & BE (on server), with a .mdw file for the workgroup settings.
For the duplicate I have created a new database with all the Tables, Queries, Reports, Forms, Macros and code copied from the FE & BE files into a single file. My question is, to be able to work on this from remote machines / pass it on to others to work on the design, do I need to have a copy of the MDW present with the duplicate, or is it possible to remove the workgroup and security permission settings?
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Mar 14, 2007
Hello people of access world forums. I've decided to design a simple access db with 2003 version but with 2000 compatibility and everything appear to work ok.
After designing and testing the db, I have set the Jet user-level security options as described in some documentation and set the startup options too for a "clean type" start. Everything is ok: I have created the workgroup in a new .mdw file, joined the workgroup, set the users, set the groups, protect the forms I wanted to. If I try to open the db, it asks for user and password and the db works as espected about security.
But if I delete, move or change the .mdw filename, the db turns accesible without the implemented security. Only the startup option works but no user is prompted and the protected items turns unprotected.
I would like to know how can I associate the .mdw to the .mdb so I can't access the .mdb if the .mdw file is not present (i.e. copying the .mdb to another computer or something).
Thanks in advanced.
Kish
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Oct 5, 2007
Ok.. I have done this before at another job, but this network (or stupid me) is giving me trouble. I'm trying to setup a database security (login/password) for a database on a network. I setup the security levels..setup a seperate workgroup... From my computer it logins fine with the correct workgroup.
I setup a link:
"G:Maximizer DatabaseMaximizer.mdb" /wrkgrp "G:Maximizer Databasemaxsecurity.mdw"
Under my network login it pops up with the correct login/password prompt.
On others, it goes into the database under "READ ONLY" but gives them access to the database in read only. It should using that workgroup.
Any suggestions?
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Oct 1, 2013
The purpose of this project is to aim the security mechanism an allow and restrict of individuals or group of individuals of the database. Define the security accounts and groups of users allowed to access.
Users: Can view / add / edit of data into the database.
Superintendent: Has view access to database but is limited only to their section.
Manager: Has full access to database but is limited to their section.
Administrator: Acts as the overall administrator for the database. Has full control over all data and objects contained in the database.
Most likely the closest example of this database is annual leave application. If individuals is/are adding data and only his immediate Superintendent can view with limited to his group and the same with the Manager as we have four (4) sections (Finance; Procurement; Services; & Management) in one unified department.
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Jan 11, 2005
so i buckled down and bought the developer extensions. this has been very good, but there have been a few drawbacks.
drawback number 1:
when the user opens the program, they receive all sorts of security warnings. i can't turn this off from inside the deployed program, and i can't figure out how to turn it off on the development end. i know i just need to go into security and set the macro warning level to low, but it won't let me. the program has worked from here, but this is highly annoying.
drawback number 2:
i don't know how to have the users update the program without having them completely uninstall their current one and reinstall the new one. i know there's some kind of update key and product key (both of which i wrote down), but i don't know how to make an executable "update" program (kind of like the way video games update, with patches and whatnot).
drawback number 3:
in order to have the program connect to the server, i need to load the program first onto the server as an mdb, then use the developer extensions on there once i've relinked all the tables (i don't have an S: drive). is there any way that this can be done automatically (link to a drive that isn't on your local machine)?
feedback/suggestions to any of these are greatly appreciated.
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Jul 4, 2005
Hi everyone,
I will have to deploy my access application that I have built with Access 2003 english version on an Access 2003 French version. I wondered whether there could be a problem because of the difference of the language?
Thanks for your response.
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Nov 3, 2005
Greetings all,
I have a problem with my DB once it gets deployed. I include the Access runtime using the Deployment Wizard but when we install it and open the DB it give us "May contain harmfull Macron. Please install Jet engine 8.0" Then it continues on to say "the application may contain harmful macros do you wish to continue?" we say yes but still no luck. We updated the jet engine but no luck there either. The DB opens but some of the code that brings up pictures on the "on load" event, isn't working. It works on computers that have access installed but not on the Run-time installations. Any suggestions. You guys have helped so much in the past to get me this far in my Access career and this one needs answered quick.
Thanks,
Eric
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Jul 31, 2006
Hi guys, I hope somebody can give me a quick step-by-step.
I've nearly completed a program written in Access and have started to venture into marketing the program to a local company. When asked what other modifications they would like to see i was sent an email stating;
"A major item would be to deploy in MS SQL. You should be able to do that free of charge with the low tier version of SQL."
I had a feeling this would come up, but I don't want to sound like a total idot when talking to these folks... I really have no true understanding of what they are asking, but I suspect it refers to conversion from jet. Question: Is this a reasonably easy modification? What do I need to purchase? Would I be better off telling them the program is 'as-is'? Can this be easily done by someone who has never done it before? I'm sure other threads addressed this issued but I would truly appreciate a full understanding of my specific problem. Thanks, Scott.
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Jul 13, 2007
Hello,
I have finished a program with ACCESS 2007 (VBA) at work. Now, my boss wants his employees to use it from different computers. What would I have to do to make this work?? I suppose ACCESS has a runtime version or executable that I can install on every computer of the company? Or do I have to install ACCESS 2007 on every terminal (which would be very bad by the way)?? I would appreciate it if somebody would give me a hand on this since I have never done this before.
Thank you very much
PS: All the computers are on a network
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Nov 2, 2005
I have Office 2000 Developer installed on my workstation at work and need to create an executable to deploy to other workstations that do not have MS Access. I'm using Access 2000 and the few that have the runtime installed already have Access 97 runtime.
When I execute the Package and Deployment Wizard I click on the checkbox for "Include Access Runtime". When it creates the package, however, the runtime is not included. I have verified that the runtime is on my hard drive. The CAB file is only about 10 Mb - the same size it was before I tried to create an executable that included the runtime module.
Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong? The size of the module created by including the runtime is not a concern at this time. I just need to get this application deployed for a mission-critical analysis task.
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Aug 30, 2006
Hello everybody,
Some time ago I saw a presentation of access 2007. It got me very enthousiastic.
But before I start working with it I want to know if it is possible to deploy Stand alone applications I am gonna build in Access 2007?
And how???
Thanks for your help guys.
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Jan 17, 2007
Hi
Apologies if this has been covered before - I promised I have searched and not found an answer.
I have just purchased the Access Development Extensions so that I can deploy my database's to users without Access. So far, I've managed to create an intallation file fine. Hwever, the database is to be used by multiple people and needs to be split.
If I create the runtime application of the frontend, all of the tables point to the backend on "my computer". I then need to give it to my client who will store the backend on thier server. How do I then make the front end (all locked becuase it's runtime) point to the backend in the new location?
I hope that makes sense.
I'm supposed to be installing this tomorrow, so any help would be much appreciated
Thanks
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Aug 11, 2015
I have a database that I've split and have deployed to 7 persons.
The thing is, I have three (3) forms:
Form 1
Form 2
Form 3
...that require changing a portion of a line in each form's respective VBA codes. I need to change the directories to where an excel workbook is stored after exporting, and another is where same excel is moved to after being uploaded.
At the moment, during deployment I have to manually change the directories.
I was thinking of maybe a pop-up form with four (4) fields that allows the user to select his/her name at the start-up of their frontend app, and paste the directories in the other text boxes provided.
This information will then be used to replace the directories in the VBA.
If I were to make changes and have to redeploy, I would have to do everything manually again.
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Mar 26, 2007
I've read and gone though quite a few of the scrips and examples for creating logins and security and i'm getting to the stage when i need to have good understanding of the different methods.
Some of the examples whilst create a user login do not really allow for security within the database whilst the build in security wizard would appear to offer that functionality.
I am thinking that I will use the Workgroup file and that method. My question is am i able to utilise the fact that if a person 'AdamA' logs onto the database which is built into the workgroup security file. am I then able to take 'AdamA' to populate a table which records actions by a user? (I can't seem to find any thread or book reference to doing this)
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Oct 31, 2006
Hi there,
I'm trying to put in place a workgroup and I'm struggling with it at the moment. I created a seperate workgroup and have a command line short cut to it. When I try to add a user to the admin group permissions it works fine except that I can't open any of the forms in design mode. It says I do not have exclusive rights . I dont know what to do. I though that the admin password would be set to blank but It won't open the database either.
Any ideas, im pulling me hair out.
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May 18, 2006
I have the security set via the Access workgroups for both groups and users. I want to be able to use the username entered on the logon screen to filter my query results.
How can I get the logon id that was entered when my switchboard form opens?
Thanks in advance.
Dennis Cronin
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Jun 5, 2006
I currently have several Access 2003 databases on my computer. I have been working on a new one that must be secured.I have created a new .mdw file to handle this. The path to this file is included in the shortcut. Everthing works great.
HOWEVER:
Whenever I close this database and then open another, it is still promting me for a password (the other DBs aren't supposed to be secure). I have changed the shortcuts to go through the old system.mdw but it still does it. When I change the workgroup manually, the secure database no longer prompts me for a password. It would appear there is more to selecting the workgroup than just editing the shortcut.
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Sep 21, 2005
We have an old Access 97 database with a workgroup file. The problem was that the machine was upgraded and the software was changed to XP. They support guys moved all files to the new PC except the the workgroup file. We can't fine a backup of the w/g file.
I am unable to upgrade the database to access 2002 because of the permissions.
What is the easiest way to get past this stumble block.
Thx
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